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Hello -

Another reason for wanting Kermit file transfer over a telnet connection
is that there are host applications which are accessible via TCP/IP but
which *only* support Kermit, not FTP, for transfer. As Tony mentioned,
the Kermit program does this, but it isn't windows/winsock.

Sure, FTP is faster, etc., but if you have a big investment in host
software that won't support it you don't have the luxury of choosing
your protocol. Maybe the solution will come from async comm software
ported over to TCP/IP, like MicroPhone on the Mac.

PG
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Subject: Re: How to load WinSock over LAN WorkPlace

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Martien Verbruggen) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Martien Verbruggen)
>Subject: Re: How to load WinSock over LAN WorkPlace
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 12:57:53 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
>Ripley) writes:

>>I have been using Novell's WinSock with LWP for DOS for a while now, and have
>>noticed that it works great with some software, but not at all with most.  For
>>example, it works great with WinMosaic, but not at all with any of the
>>Trumpet-type stuff.

>>Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

>Me too. It works fine for me with Mosaic, ws_ftp, also the trumpet news
>reader, PC Eudora, and more, but I have severe problems with the ping clients,
>ws_ftpd, WSirc (the new one), WStalk (the new one), and various other things
>on the net.

>I don't know why, or how, since i am not too knowledgable on winsocks, but
>maybe someone else can point out the difference between NOVELL's winsock and
>the others... I thought winsock 1.1 was a standard, but it seems to be not so.


If you read the text file that comes with Novell's winsock files it says its
Winsock 1.1 compliant and then goes on to state which aspects of the standard
it doesn't support...

Most of the problems seem to stem from getting local host information, getting
target host information, or most annoyingly, closing sockets in the tcp/ip
stack.
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Subject: Re: New PD Telnet and FTP for Winsock

In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Chris Rowley) writes:

> Features I won't have ready before the first release (planned for Friday):
>      * VT-100 or any other emulation other than tty
>
>      Chris

I vote for VT100 emulation (or some other VT) as your next added
feature.  The Telnet clients I have seen have crappy terminal
emulation, with at least one major drawback for each one.  Maybe the
Microsoft client will be what I want (I haven't used it yet), but since
you're writing a new client.....

Kurt Tiedtke
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Subject: Re: Trumpet: Changing TCPMAN Timeout

In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Rosin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using Trumpet Winsock 1.0 Rev. B (beta 1) on a 486/66/ Windows 3.1 for
>a dialup SLIP connection via an Acura 144/ Fax 144.  Our phone system has you
>dial at the INTERNAL dial-tone, then selects and dials the OUTSIDE line.
>This results in about a 10 sec. delay.
>

In the login script (login.cmd) for Trumpet Winsock there is a line that
reads:

    wait 30 dcd

This tells the program to wait 30 seconds for a connect.  Simply up this
number by the appropriate amount and that will resolv the problem.  I
am probably going to change the script to wait 60 seconds in future
releases.

Michael
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Subject: Re: Trouble with Dialers

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Madsen) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Rob Madsen)
>Subject: Trouble with Dialers
>Summary: Won't Connect after Trumpet Starts
>Keywords: GoSlip, Dialer
>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 04:37:32 GMT

>I've tried GoSlip! vrs1.1 and Dialer as external dialing
>scripts to use with Trumpet Winsock.  Using scripts I
>am able to dial, login, password and launch tcpman, but
>the connection doesn't seem to come all the way up.
>Perhaps I am sending the wrong code to the SLIP server,
>I am sending "SLIP" after I get the "packet enabled" response
>after password?  Should I keep "internal SLIP" checked in the
>tcpman setup configuration?
>thx.

   Where did you ftp the GoSlip dialer ? I'm looking for a replacement for my
existing one that is likely to cause problems at work where we want to install
a demo InterNet station and the users don't want to care about a bad dialing,
or mis synchronization with modem, as the current dialer is giving me.

    Any reply always appreciated :-)


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Jean-Francois Messier                            Windows developper
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Subject: Re: Visual Basic examples for WINSOCK

Hi Gerard,

I am also just starting to do some Winsock programming in VB.  I would
also be very interested to find any good sources of information.  I have been
using VBMSG.VBX to trap Windows messages from the asynchronous Winsock
functions, and to resolve the pointers (amd pointers to pointers) used
in the HOSTENT structures and elsewhere.

Where did you download WINSOCK.VB from? So far I have been translating
the definitions from WINSOCK.H, so VB definitions would be very useful.


Andrew Taylor
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Subject: winsock bootp not getting domain suffix

We're trying frontier (version 3.00R1) and trumpet (version 1.0A)
winsocks using bootp.  Neither seems to get the domain suffix.
Frontier doesn't seem to get the local hostname or domain
server address.  Worse, it seems to get itself into a state
where it can't resolve any domain queries (not even fully
qualified, not even after restarting windows).  Any chance
we've simply missed something in the configuration?

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Subject: Help! News in Mosaic

I am using Mosaic and I can read some newsgroups, but on others, I get an
error message that says "411 group not found", However, I know the group
exists.  I think it has something to do with the net (banyan vines) that I
am on, or rather the sysadmin, does not want those groups to be read, is
there anyway to hook into another News server that will allow these groups
to be read?     ---Thanks in advance!!  --BB

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Subject: Re: Winsock frailties

>What's to blame for this poor exception handling?  I've seen it on half a
>dozen different setups.  Is it Windows?  Trumpet Winsock?  The Winsock
>protocol?  Badly written applications?  Gnomes?  Bad Karma?

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Subject: Re: Opinion please: best Win SLIP setup

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cass Tyson) writes:
>Hi, all!
>I'm putting my Dad's 486 on the net in the next few days. Having just set
>him up with a SLIP account and a 14,4 modem, I'd like to set it up with the
>best set of TCP tools available under Windoze. Imagine you were starting
>from scratch:
>What do you consider indispensible? (For that matter, what must I have?)
>What should be avoided?
>Does any one package come with everything, that is, tools for news, e-mail,
>irc, telnet, gopher, ftp, finger, WAIS and WWW (did I leave anything out?),
>or will I have to fetch everything separately?
>Also, can you steer me in the direction of the faqs on what you recommend?
>Cass Tyson
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>(email if you prefer, but I'd rather see people fight it out here in the
>trenches)  ;-)

Sure, I'll jump right into the trenches and give you my opinion, for what its
worth. Based on my evaluations I'd recommend

WinQVT/Net for its telnet (it is the most "complete" package with FTP,
                        mail,  news etc. also available, but I prefer other
                        implementations for those  things);
WS_FTPis the most awesomely good ftp I've ever seen;
Eudora is my favorite for e-mail;
Hgopher is my pick of the gopher clients;
Trumpet Newsreader edges out WinVN in my opinion;
Mosaic is a slight preference over Cello for WWW client
              both are nice, both have problems, both have potential...

That's pretty much my picks for essentials - I've done my WAIS stuff
through Veronica sites with  Hgopher and I recently found Archie
access through WWW with Mosaic. I've never found any need for
(or for that matter any use for) irc or finger, so I can't help you there.
Doug
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